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Budget debate pits military retiree interests against those in active duty, analysts warn - Defense - GovExec.com

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The conflict between veterans/retired military personnel and the active duty budget has begun. The government bean counters have begn their epic journey to cut and slash the inner workings of the defense budget by focusing in on retired personnel health care costs, fees, and total altering the military retirement pay system as we know it. I personally reviewed the power point presentation on USSECDEF commission on changing military retirement pay. If it goes through it will reduce the number of service members who will commit to complete their 20 plus years of service.

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backroads

No way to treat you guys. But, bean counters may be unable to factor in the humanity of their decision, or lack thereof.

    Reply#1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:29 AM EST
    Mac-295039

    @ backroads:

    The power point presentation was scary to skim through. Basically the bean counters within Penata's crew feel that the military service member who does their 20 should not receive their retirement check until age 62. The reason being is that a 40 year old who did their time is still capable of receiving a paycheck from finding another job. So they want to place the retirement funds into a 401K type retirement plan but you wouldn't be able to actually draw from it until near social security pension time frame. That way you are getting closer to your death and it saved the government 20 plus years of paying a person their retirement. Their flip to this is that from then on, everyone regardless of years of service whether it is 20 or 4 would receive and be eligible for retirement funds based on their years of active duty service.

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    #1.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:36 AM EST
    Davy-755715

    For years we could afford anything and everything. Now, we're too damn far from our supply lines. This was never good in battle, and it's not much better in this case. Is it possible to come up with specifications and rules that are "fair", or is that concept like picking a gnat off a wall at 150 yards...

      #1.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:00 AM EST
      Mac-295039

      @ Davy:

      It is difficult to say. Logistically, Afghanistan is a nightmare. You have most of the supply routes being sent through Pakistan, which steals, destroys, and pilfers their specific amount of US military hardware, service members personal items, and fuel for their own pockets and black market sales.

      The Defense Department has been forced to make some serious cuts. So while some weapons programs are being totally withdrawn or reduced in the original order for production, the military is looking to cut in the benefits department as well. We already see payment issues with service members now being "pro-rated" for their time in combat zones with hazard duty pay. Retired, wounded, and medically retired military personnel are being briefed that the prices and drug fees for TRI-CARE Prime will increase as well as their payments. There is some discussion with removing all military retired personnel from TRI-CARE system and placing them into something like COBRA coverage to save millions of dollars. Budget crunch means that compensation, disability rating, will be more difficult to get and harder to get placed into your file. DFAS just last month cut my retirement payments off. Because I was medically retired due to combat injury and had less than 20 years, I do not rate both VA disability check and a retirement check. The military will combine the two checks and if the VA is paying you more due to disability than you don't get the retirement check. Example: You get 1,000 dollars for retirement and 1,100 from the VA for disability. If you have less than 20 years of active duty service, you will get just the 1,100 dollars. Because the VA money is tax free you get that portion. You would not get both checks of 2,100 dollars. If you do 20 years or more then you get both checks. So for injured or combat related wounds and less than 20, you now have to apply for Combat Compensation pay, which is basically another form of a "goat rope" you have to jump through to receive any additional compensation.

        #1.3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:37 AM EST
        Davy-755715

        Mac - I had meant "supply lines" figuratively, in respect to our fiscal capability as applied to responsibilities to veterans.

        I went on the bus to the AFEES physical in the late 60's. I wasn't going to try any hijinx or leave the country if they got me. I wound up classified 1Y because of my eyesight. Obviously a bunch of the guys I knew, went, and some came back in boxes. Sometimes I had wished I would have joined, but most of the ones I talked to said it was good that I didn't. Some guy said it was a million dollars' worth of experience, but he wouldn't go through it again for another million. I did go to college, but if I'd spent years in the military I doubt I ever would have gone back to classes.

        As you are well aware, damn near the entire nation is in retreat. A lot of people see their portfolios as their only savior, and so they go along with anything that would increase their ROI's. What easier way to do this other than to announce "changes" in wages, pensions, or benefits, then sit back and count the money? As you are also well aware, the higher ups will make every effort to insulate themselves from the mess. I'm old and have health problems, but I wouldn't trade situations with a 22 year old today, fer nuthin!

          #1.4 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:26 AM EST
          Mac-295039

          @ Davy:

          My apologies, I was thinking you meant the situation on the ground concerning logistical support and combat service support units. The Veterans Administation will have it's hands full for a very long time. I believe prior to 9/11 they were begining to get things finally organized and start to do justice for those thousands of Vietnam and Korean veterans who have been short changed. But now you have another large group of wounded warriors who are in various stages of disability and have no clue as to what they rate, what is out there, and what they may be entitled to so far as treatment and benefits goes.

          I am 39 and scared to death at what is ahead of my remaining years as a wounded veteran.

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          #1.5 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:07 PM EST
          Davy-755715

          I am now convinced that the best way to fix the general economic situation of our own making, is to base benefits on need, as opposed to the standard, plain greed. Yep, this includes me and Social Security and Medicare as well. Those systems turned us into an entire nation of welfare collectors, and the young people of the nation simply can't afford it any more. I believe we can endure, if we restrict automatic payouts. This would apply to all entitlements and deserved benefits, general public or military. If this means it costs me, so be it. I want the nation to go on.

            #1.6 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:33 PM EST
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            Mac-295039

            @ backroads:

            Quick question. How does one get their seeds shown on the main page? I have posted countless seeds and rarely do they make it into the main view point? Any suggestions?

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            Reply#2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:44 AM EST
            backroads

            mac, when I first arrived I was advised to post an initial remark. That is a definite. rottlady knows all the ins and outs here and she is helpful and always nice. You could contact her and tell her I referred you. We've been friends for years.

            This one is definitely a front-page article. Sadly, it seems the weird stuff gets the coverage. In five years, I think I was on the main page once.

              Reply#3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:59 AM EST
              Mac-295039

              @ backroads:

              Many thanks. I am a little discouraged at the main themes on the front page and the countless articles that acutally have merit are somehow stuck in the back of the list?

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              #3.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:16 AM EST
              backroads

              That's the 'vine, mac.

                #3.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:09 PM EST
                Mac-295039

                @ backroads:

                I wish they would change the parameters or allow other people to place real stories on the front page than some of the headlines it currently is showing.

                  #3.3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:21 PM EST
                  backroads

                  You could change the tags. Some that the 'vine automatically adds must come from some geek without a clue. Use your own, such as "veterans," "retirement," and "benefits."

                    #3.4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:20 PM EST
                    Mac-295039

                    backroads:

                    That is a really good point. Some of the suggestive tags they give you is like, "where the heck did that come from?"

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                    #3.5 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:08 PM EST
                    backroads

                    You can hit "edit" and purge those nonsensical tags and go with just a few relevant ones.

                      #3.6 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:28 PM EST
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